POLL: National Board Recommends Banning Phone Calls While Driving
Do you think cell phone calls behind the wheel are dangerous?
It soon may be harder to make phone calls while driving around town. The National Transportation Safety Board has recommended states ban drivers from using cell phones and hands-free devices, including wireless headsets.
There currently is no state that has outright banned such devices while driving. The board said that drivers faced serious risks from talking on wireless headsets, just as they do by taking a hand off the wheel to hold a phone to their ear.
According to an article in today's New York Times, the National Transportation Safety Board based its recommendation on evidence of numerous crashes in which electronic distraction was a major contributing factor.
The New York Times articles stated that many polls show that while people continue to use their devices behind the wheel, they also widely consider such behavior to be extremely dangerous.
The ban is also noteworthy because it is the first call by a federal agency to end the practice completely, rather than the partial ban that some legislators have put in place by allowing hands-free talking, the New York Times wrote.
jack
11:07 am on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
..........................Does this mean everyone...???.....you know how many police i see every day what appears to be texting.....maybe just '' looking '' up a number.......this should include everyone.....but how can you enforce EVERYONE.......
Don Barker
11:19 am on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
How much "mothering" can we tolerate from the government. As adults, we SHOULD know what is unsafe without trying to legislate common sense. When you are driving, don't play with your phone, radio/cd player, gps, etc. We all know we need to keep our eyes on the road and traffic. If you need to answer the phone or make a call, pull off the road and park!
Tyler Jozefowicz
8:17 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
Apparently it's not working. I don't like people with the cellphone glued to their ear coming at me in the opposite direction on a divided highway, doing about 60 mph. Drivers' licenses are a privilege. You wanna talk? Do it without a drivers' wheel in one hand. Problem ameliorated with a little " fathering".
David Carr
11:19 am on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Distracted driving, whatever the cause, is the issue. If your driving is impaired by a cell phone, eating, reading, putting on make-up then you should get a ticket.
Josh Turiel
12:05 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Requiring handsfree usage in the car is fine by me (I won't use a phone any other way). Banning texting, etc. is fine as well. But to ban cell phone usage at all - you might as well ban conversation and radios, and then seal the drivers behind glass. That's just way too Nanny State for reasonable people.
Tracy LeBlanc
9:54 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Agreed!
Missy Scarlet
12:06 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Unfortunately we do need legislation and steep fines to make many people who know better actually do the right thing. In modern society, people don't like to be inconvenienced. I have a feeling that those who have killed somebody while driving distracted would now consider pulling over to make a phone call a lot less inconvenient than going through a vehicular homicide trial. Please, please, PLEASE: put your phones down when you are behind the wheel. You don't want to hurt someone-so don't put yourself in the position where you can so easily do it. And yes, put down the newspaper, the makeup, the razor and everything else that takes your eyes and mind off the road that is in front of you. Do it for you. Do it for all of us.
Dan D.
5:14 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Yes, Government Knows Best. Legislate everything that you consider "wrong" so people will OBEY!
This is another Mommy State initiative by a government body that wants to increase it's power therefore it's size and budget. Enough already. We don't need another law.
john
8:24 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Hmm, taking away rights under the guise of protection. Sounds like another law I heard of.
Diane Wolf
12:09 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
I used to have a very long commute and would often get sleepy - I would call people to keep myself engaged and alert.
If you are easily distracted while driving, don't do it - but I don't think everyone should be painted with same brush.
Missy Scarlet
1:11 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
I have to respectfully disagree: there are plenty of people who thought they were able to drive while on the phone who are no longer with us. They learned the hard way. Everyone is easily distracted while driving. The human brain is not capable of doing two things at once: it shifts focus very quickly, but it can only focus on ONE thing at a time. Do you want to gamble that the seconds you are focused on your phone won't present you with another vehicle protruding from your own? You seem to argue on the side of taking that gamble. Sorry, but that is why I'd like to see the choice removed from your hands.
BM
2:23 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
To Diane Wolf :If you are tired , roll a window down , chew gum or simply pull off somewhere to get rest . Let's use some common sense people . Put it another way , You wouldn't drink and drive , so why text / talk while driving ? I
KlassySalem
12:23 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
While I believe that texting while driving is incredibly foolish, I do not believe that a Federal Law is the best way to deal with it. The Feds have two mechanisms for penalizing it - one is to withhold highway funds from states whose laws don't match a Federal standard, and the other is to make it an actual Federal offense. Neither mechanism is appealing here. Let the states handle it - as they already are.
john
12:55 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
It's about time! We have seat belt laws that are in place to protect our own safety. Cell phone laws will be to protect us from people who can't drive and talk at the same time never mind texting. I see it all the time people just stop driving in the middle of the road because they are busy with their phone. If I get hit by a person texting, that person should be punished. Driving under the influence of a phone is ignorant.
BM
2:18 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Hey , we have deviated from common sense here . We managed to get around from point A to point B before cell phones . So why should we be surprised if there is a law to ban it ? I am for a ban on it . Just the other day I seen a kid in a car next to me at a stoplight texting away . Even with that law in place , teens still do it .
Doug Coonrod
2:54 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."- George Orwell
Excessive governmental legislation is ungood.
denise
3:22 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
i can talk on the phone while i drive just fine...it is all the other people on the road that are bad at it!!!! *sarcasm*
Edward
4:12 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Will not be a Federal law, it will be up to the individual states to do this and from what I read about this in today's papers, a total ban will not happen in Massachusetts.
Besides, there are other things that can cause distractions, kids in the car, talking to other passengers can do it as well. What are they going to do next, tell us you can't have kids in the car, or everyone must be totally quiet while in a car?? Give me a break!
Want to end all car accidents? BAN CARS!
Margarita
4:25 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
If it's a hands-free device and if you're not looking at your phone, it really shouldn't be a problem. I get lost frequently; I pull over, call my mother, put her on speaker, and let her give me directions over the phone while I drive. That seems a lot safer than having to look at a GPS (which would not be banned by the measure, by the way), or make bad driving decisions because I'm panicking and focused on figuring out where to go. I agree that texting behind the wheel, or holding a phone in general while driving should not be allowed, but to not be able to talk at all seems excessive.
Cwheels
4:51 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
How is using a hands -free device any different then talking to someone sitting next to you? If anything it might be safer, I'm sure I turn to look at someone sitting next to me for a second. In my car a incoming call rings through the stereo speakers, all i have to do is push a button on the steering wheel and yak away.
Karyn
7:05 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
I'm with Missy and BM on this. Everyone got along just fine on the roads before cellphones... should be used for emergencies only and pull off the road. I see nothing necessary about them while you're actively behind the wheel whatsoever. "Heaven forbid" you're out of touch with the world for the time it takes you to drive from point A to point B. Seen too many close calls. Also, most GPS devices these days "talk to you" re. directions. ANYTHING that takes your focus off the task at hand (especially in traffic conditions existing anywhere but the boonies) is not a good thing. For those who think they can multi-task, that may be fine but IMO, not where driving is concerned/someone else's life could be at stake. Think about it.
Steevo
11:58 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Making it a punishable offense for hands-free is absurd, revealing the same lack of common sense government presumes to be correcting.
Instead, lets just apply the many logical deductions to hands-on cell phone usage? An excellent driving record shouldn't matter. I should no longer be able to consume tacos, chicken wrap, a cup of coffee etc. and converse with a passenger. I'm confident many accidents have been caused by any such activity. I don't know if there's a law against dogs unrestrained but that's a no-brainer, and maybe double the fine for sticking their heads out the window. Or even a stop light lipstick moment for women (and maybe some men). In fact there must be a lot of behavior many of us foolishly take for granted resulting in bang-ups injury and death state, county and local police would love to be able to extract fines all day long all for our safety.
Or maybe, a different kind of punishment? Tack on an extra fine if, it is found an accident has been caused or influenced by what can be determined an irresponsible distraction? This could possibly make sense to me.
Cee Virtue
5:39 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
None of the articles I have read or listened to this week on this topic cite scientific studies, they all seem to be based on reactions to accidents instead.
We should not make laws about facts without having actual facts. Here are studies that show hands-free cell phone conversations are no riskier than in-person cell phone conversations: http://esciencenews.com/articles/2011/12/14/wayne.state.study.shows.early.research.cellphone.conversations.likely.overestimated.crash.risk
Dan D.
9:38 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
Hooray, an actual statement backed up by facts, not emotion! How novel!
John Intorcio
8:59 am on Monday, December 26, 2011
Maybe you were reading the wrong articles? There's a pile of scientific data. Some here: http://www.distraction.gov/content/get-the-facts/research.html
Bruce
7:22 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
I'm not someone who likes to see our government get involved in legislating common sense issues like this, but I've seen too many times how cell phones are a common distraction while driving. A majority of questionable driving and near accidents that I've experienced over the past few years have one thing in common - a cell phone at the drivers ear.
john nowosacki
7:34 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Over the last decade the number of traffic fatalities per driven mile has gone down while cell phone use/ownership has skyrocketed. Does that mean talking on the phone makes driving safer? No, of course not, but continually taking away freedoms from people is not the answer. Accountability is the issue. Tougher punishments for offenders, higher insurance rates for offenders, etc. is the way to go. If you have more to lose by being careless behind the wheel, only then will you pay more attention. Losing your license for a year or having to pay large insurance premiums forever as punishment for being found at fault in an accident because you were texting would be a better approach.
Jessica
7:37 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Its way more dangerous to drive with kids in your car!!!
MLS
8:33 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Hand held phones are dangerous, but hands free devices, especially the installed ones with voice activation, are no different than talking to a passenger sitting in the car. I use my installed, hand free phone, but would not try to talk on my phone any other way while driving.
Bob
11:02 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
I have a novel idea. Why not ask the courts and police to enforce the laws on the books now instead of adding more. There are laws on the books today to cover reckless driving, lane violations etc. but they are not enforced.
One of my favorite quotes by Ben Franklin...
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Don
11:47 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
I don't like this proposal much at all, but to be honest folks this is needed because of the way people are driving and using them. Simple rule folks slow down and obey the speed limit and if you need to talk pull over and stop. It is not the Govt, but those who abuse the priviledge of driving that caused this. I drive the speed limit all the time and for those who are 1 foot off my bumper, I won't drive any faster or slower that what is required. Or, has society become that selfish? Yes, it has.
helen burns
11:51 am on Thursday, December 15, 2011
On Tuesday afternoon I was behind an obviously "distracted driver" (using a cell phone) on High Street. She drifted to the other side of the road and almost hit a car head-on. I still remember the expression on the face of the woman (kids in back seat) as she swerved off the road to save her family.
Jared Robinson
12:13 pm on Thursday, December 15, 2011
A law like this could have saved my mom's life for sure.
Michael
8:38 pm on Thursday, December 15, 2011
Another example of government interference in our lives. Why not ban all the distracting sign pollution along the roads - no parking, no stopping, tow zone, etc, etc, etc.
Dan D.
9:40 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
There is apparently no data that shows that banning cell phone use reduces accidents. It would be refreshing to see a government agency use actual facts when making their case.
helen burns
9:48 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
There are statistics, however, showing the number of accidents CAUSED by people using cell phones. this is the reason several states have banned use of cell phones some time ago.
Jared Robinson
9:53 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
plenty of data
here's some to peruse:
http://www.bmj.com/highwire/filestream/399783/field_highwire_article_pdf/0/bmj.38537.397512.55.full.pdf
"Conclusions: When drivers use a mobile phone there is an increased likelihood of a crash resulting in injury. Using a hands-free phone is not any safer."
http://www.nsc.org/news_resources/Resources/Documents/Association%20between%20cellular%20telephone%20calls%20and%20motor%20vehicle%20collisions.pdf
". . . units that allowed the hands to be free (relative risk, 5.9) offered no safety advantage over hand-held units . . ."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19102621
". . . The results show that the number of driving errors was highest in the cell phone condition; in passenger conversations more references were made to traffic, and the production rate of the driver and the complexity of speech of both interlocutors dropped in response to an increase in the demand of the traffic. The results indicate that passenger conversations differ from cell phone conversations because the surrounding traffic not only becomes a topic of the conversation, helping driver and passenger to share situation awareness, but the driving condition also has a direct influence on the complexity of the conversation, thereby mitigating the potential negative effects of a conversation on driving."
Jared Robinson
9:53 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
http://unews.utah.edu/old/p/062206-1.html
"Both handheld and hands-free cell phones impaired driving, with no significant difference in the degree of impairment. That “calls into question driving regulations that prohibited handheld cell phones and permit hands-free cell phones,” the researchers write."
Jessica Sampson
10:55 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
How about a ban on alcohol? How about making cars that don't go 90 mph? Aren't those still the 2 main factors that cause most accidents? Why make cars that go 90 mph and faster when it obviously almost never safe to drive that fast, and almost nobody is trained to safely handle a vehicle at the speed. As for alcohol, with the problems it causes in society we continue to promote and encourage it at social events. I know we enjoy the tax money. While we condemn smoking. I have never been assaulted by a smoker, but I have almost been killed and I have been assaulted by many intoxicated folks.
Jared Robinson
11:01 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
well, it's already illegal to operate a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol and it's not legal in the US to travel at 90MPH anyway.
I think the current laws need to be enforced better and the penalties need to be significantly higher... I think it should also be a moving violation that carries minor points (2). That would curb use IMMEDIATELY.
My mom was run over and killed by an off-duty police officer who was distracted by something in his car (GPS, Radio or Cell Phone). He's now in jail.
I personally don't think they should ban handsfree systems though. Just keep your eyes on the road.
Hell, I just bought one for my car. I hate talking while I'm driving and it really is impossible to concentrate on driving when fiddling with touch screen phones and devices.
Jared Robinson
11:07 am on Friday, December 16, 2011
Also, I remember when I first started driving, everyone was paying attention. Now a days I'll be driving down the road and pass at LEAST 2 people in a mile looking down at their lap (trying to hide their phone) on the highway.
I see at least 5 people a day swerving around like they're drunk but they're just checking their phone.
Bob Pomeroy
2:03 pm on Friday, December 16, 2011
I view it as less of a "Nanny State" issue and more that distracted drivers are DANGEROUS. Not just to themselves, but to everyone else on the road. Whether that distraction is alcohol or a phone.
The reality is, if you are talking on your phone, you are a danger to everyone else on the road. Period.
Hands-free devices are only slightly less distracting than handheld phones. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise.
kathy Stevens
9:59 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Following up on Jared R: cellphones are associated with a higher likelihood of an accident. More accidents lead to higher insurance premiums for everyone. Your freedom to use a cell phone while driving costs me, perhaps personal injury, certainly higher automibile insurance premiums.
Diane Healey
10:22 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Anyone not using hands free while driving is nuts. A simple bluetooth can be purchased at Walmart, Radio Shack, CVS or any other retailer for $20.00 I see people holding the phone to thier heads while driving, I do every thing in my power to get AWAY from them.
Fact I was cut off at Mill Rd and Turnpike by a woman in a van who was having a hard time turning on Mill Rd because she had her hand against her ear while trying to turn!!!
Laura Kernan
10:30 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Whenever I am tempted to use my phone while driving, I think of the possible consequences of being even slightly distracted by my phone. It only takes an instant for someone's child or pet to run out in front of your car. If you are momentarily distracted, you may not be able to react in time. Could you live with yourself knowing that you may otherwise have been able to avoid them if you weren't using your phone?
Of course there are distractions we can't really get away from, kids in the car etc, but this is one that is really unnecessary. And unfortunately, a lot of people don't seem to be able to be responsible about their phone use, so maybe a law is the way to go.
Dan D.
10:34 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Some states have enacted laws banning cell phone use. Has it made a difference? Any measurable decrease in accidents?
Diane Healey
10:49 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Thought on driving-SMOKING is even more dangerous than cell phones - every day you see those people driving, trying to light up, throwing their butts out windows, pretending to put their ashes in the ash tray.
It doesn't take a cell phone to distract a driver who wouldn't be paying attention anyway. Music (radios, MP3's, CD's), Kids, Smoking, people fixing their hair, we all see it every day.
Jessica Sampson
11:30 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
How is smoking more dangerous than talking on a cell phone???? Maybe the 5 seconds while lighting a cigarette but most can easily do that while driving. As for putting ashes in an ash tray, what cars have ash trays anymore? I would not throw my butt out a window if my car had an ashtray. You may not like smokers but I would not compare the danger to talking on a cell phone.
Diane Healey
2:37 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
I consider smokers WAY more dangerous than cell phone users. I have yet to see someone pull over with their car on fire from dropping the cell phone, or failing to put a match out and lighting their ash tray on fire with the cell phone. I also know a woman who has had 2 accidents from smoking, First she hit a guardrain on the Lowell Connector lighting up, then she hit the wall at Dunkin Donuts again lighting up. And wow the excuse for throwing the butts out the window is no ash tray REALLY! You can get one at any auto part store
Jack
12:51 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
We can continue to aim our legislation at the most incompetent, distractible and uncoordinated amongst us I suppose. Personally, I can talk on the phone and drive as easily as I can talk with a passenger and drive, but clearly some people can't do that, so let's make everything appropriate for the lowest common denominator.
Some people can't drive fast, in the rain or in traffic - we should probably ban cars altogether as those people are going to have accidents due to their poor skills. Some people can't drink responsibly, so let's ban a grown up having a glass of wine on the beach at sunset - oh yea, we did that already. We're the only country in the world where you can't do something as simple as that! Isn't all this "freedom" wonderful.
We are a nanny state, we are treated like a large pre-school and are expected to feel grateful for the few freedoms we have left - as if they are privileges bestowed upon us by a benevolent dictator. The only people who believe that America is still "the land of the free" are the provincial types who never travel abroad and, if pushed, try to compare us to China or Cuba - not a useful comparison! We are the least free developed, democratic country and on this page I actually see people lobbying for more restrictions.
Sad really.
Laura Kernan
9:08 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
Here is some information about cell phone laws in Europe.
http://handsfreeinfo.com/european-cell-phone-texting-roundup
And a list of European countries where using a cell phone while driving is banned.
http://seniortravel.about.com/od/travelsafety/qt/Distracted-Driving-Laws-In-Europe.htm
Bob Pomeroy
2:28 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
One thing to keep in mind is that the NTSB doesn't make laws. Regulations yes, but not laws.
Currently drunk driving is illegal in ALL states, but this does not make it a federal crime. Ditto for speeding. No one here would propose to eliminate those laws.
We each have the right to be stupid on our own time, but it stops where has even the potential to injure others.
Justin Mattera
2:53 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
I love the fact that the government tells me what to from the time I wake up to the time I go to sleep, things are just so much easier when I don't need to think. I'm not sure if this is really me writing this or if I'm programmed to, oh well.....
john
3:50 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
This ban is aimed at helping people in more ways than one. My first point is the potential for a driver to receive devestating news while driving. I think if the average person who had such news but knew the person to contact was actually driving they would consider waiting. Secondly the more the insurance companies can point to phone use as the cause of accidents the higher the rates go for all. We have all been taught in driving school and elsewhere that distractions cause accidents and talking on a phone requires one to use their brain taking away the focus needed to drive. You can still have your phone in your car for whatever reason you want simply pull over and stop to use it. If a person is allowed to talk while driving the next thing they try will be texting. I see people having trouble walking while texting.
Jared Robinson
3:56 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011
if it even saves one life, it's worth it in my book.
That being said, I think the penalty simply needs to be a minor moving violation as a surchargable event + $250 fine.
malcolm nichols
8:35 am on Wednesday, December 21, 2011
The poll question provides disassociated responses to each of the responses, which makes the entire poll pointless and ridiculous.
"I'm against it" & "My driving is not affected by talking on the phone" are 2 independent statements and are exclusive. If you are stating "I'm against it because my/your driving is affected by talking on the phone", then say it.
William Laforme
10:14 am on Wednesday, December 21, 2011
Somebody's been waiting all week to use the term "disassociated" in a sentence!
Jessica Sampson
8:39 am on Wednesday, December 21, 2011
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/barney-frank-goes-after-george-will-over-marijuana-legalization-on-this-week/
john
11:40 am on Wednesday, December 21, 2011
My responses are not pointless. I have never and will never own a cell phone but I am affected by others who do.
Jack
2:21 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
"if it even saves one life, it's worth it in my book. "
Saving lives is easy. 4,500 motorcyclists are killed on the roads every year - ban motorcycles and you save 4,500 of them. People drown in rip tides every year - ban swimming off beaches and all those lives are saved... easy isn't it?
If your number one priority is "saving lives" and making life as regulated, controlled, risk free and safe as possible then that's fine - it's not mine though.
It all comes down to "indoor cat / outdoor cat". You can keep a cat indoors and it will never be run over, killed by a coyote, attacked by another cat, lost or stolen. It will however live a half life in a domestic prison - the ultimate regulation.
My vote is for less government, more personal responsibility and if that means life is a little more dangerous, so be it.
Diane Healey
2:24 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Amen for not wanting to be told what to do or live in some PC bubble!
Jared Robinson
3:11 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
they just need to police the laws that are already in place and increase the fines for them because so few are getting caught.
You tell someone that if they get caught on a phone or texting while driving that they're going to be paying $200-400/year more for every time they get caught, I bet they'll stop on their own.
The difference between the 4500 cyclists and the riptides is that many of those are a single victim incident. Many car accidents claim multiple victims.
Give people more of a reason to think about picking up that phone to text while they're doing 85 on the highway.
Robert Gates
4:39 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
The Detroit News reported yesterday that Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood will not back a national ban on the use of hands free cell phone use in vehicles: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20111221/AUTO01/112210401/1361/LaHood-won-t-back-NTSB-push-to-bar-hands-free-calls
Jack
5:20 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
"The difference between the 4500 cyclists and the riptides is that many of those are a single victim incident. Many car accidents claim multiple victims."
I though if it saved ONE life, it would be worth it? I think a death is just as much a tragedy whether it happens as a single victim or in multiples - 4,500 motorcyclists is a big multiple it would seem to me... should motorcycles be banned, or are those deaths acceptable as they happen spread out over a year (it's still 13 every day)? The answer is, of course not. The job of government is not to wrap us in cotton wool to protect us from ourselves. We are living real, lives here, we're not in a huge kindergarten.
"Give people more of a reason to think about picking up that phone to text while they're doing 85 on the highway."
This I agree with - but not by banning phones, by teaching people personal responsibility and good sense. I assume you want to ban eating and drinking in cars, changing CDs, checking a GPS for directions and having small fussy children in the back seat? Sure prosecute idiots for distracted driving, but let's not legislate the entire population just because some people are incapable of good decisions.
Jared Robinson
5:24 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
explain what you think the NHTSA is recommending by putting a 'ban' on them vs what I'm saying in terms of enforcement and increased penalties that would include higher fines and moving violations.
What exactly do you expect is going to happen with this ban? It's already against the law to have a phone up against your ear or drive distracted... If the police observe you with a video playing in view of the driver, you will be pulled over and ticketed.
Jared Robinson
5:27 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
sorry, the NTSB, not the NHTSA...
Jared Robinson
5:28 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Also, keep in mind the NTSB is simply suggesting that the entire country have the same laws for driving and texting/talking. Massachusetts already has laws that prohibit this.
Additionally, the NTSB is suggesting that all devices including hands-free be included in the law... I'm not 100% sure I agree with this.
Laura Kernan
9:16 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
"The job of government is not to wrap us in cotton wool to protect us from ourselves."
The issue is not protecting ourselves from our own behavior. It's protecting others from our behavior.
People accept the risk to themselves of driving a motorcycle or swimming at a beach, it is not an inherent risk to others. Driving while using a cell phone is.
Jack
9:36 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
Laura, that's an excellent point and well put.
I still maintain that driving while speaking on the phone is not inherently dangerous - the vast majority of people (myself included) do it all the time with no distraction at all. In the gamut of things that people do in cars, it's just one more thing that incompetent idiots may find distracting. Should we make talking to kids in the back seat illegal? Refereeing kid's disputes from the drivers seat? Checking a GPS for turn directions? Eating? Drinking?
Like it or nor, this is a Nanny State issue and it is legislating to the lowest common denominator. If your philosophy is that we need to limit the rights of everyone, to stop the idiots doing certain things, for the greater common good, then I accept that as a thought out and considered argument. I don't agree with it in principle, but I do see where you're coming from.
My problem with that is my antipathy towards more government intrusion and regulations, less freedom and less focus on personal responsibility - and the kind of idiots it is geared towards will ignore it anyway.
Jack
6:25 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
There is no hand held cell phone use ban in Massachusetts - nor should there be. Driving distracted (for any reason) of course is illegal - and should be. If you are referring to a GPS as a "video playing in view of the driver" then no, it's not illegal. If you mean a video player - well obviously! As to hands free cell phones being illegal - that is the very definition of idiotic laws and over regulation and currently exists no where.
Source: http://www.iihs.org/laws/cellphonelaws.aspx
john
8:28 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
There is one reason we need a law of some kind to regulate cell phones while driving and that is if I get run over and killed by some person ditracted by his phone someone needs to be held accountable and the courts need leverage to make sure they are prosecuted.
Jack
9:40 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
John - they would be. Negligent driving and driving while distracted or impaired, is of course illegal regardless of the reason. Just because talking on the phone is legal, it doesn't mean that driving negligently because of a phone, and subsequently killing someone is also legal!
What part of this do people not understand? Legislating against every possible thing that may cause idiots to drive negligently is an absurd and pointless exercise - do you really advocate making all our laws aimed at the lowest common denominator?
As previously stated, you presumably want to legislate against drinking, eating, following GPS directions, having children in the back, changing a CD or a myriad of reasons poor drivers may be distracted - or do you mind being killed particularly by an idiot cell phone user rather than anything else?
john
10:58 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
If driving while impaired is illegal but driving while talking is not then how can anyone prove negligence? The law needs to be changed so a person cannot get off on a manslaughter charge. I don't think that drinking water or eating a candy bar requires the amount of distraction to the human brain that talking on a phone does. Where do you stand on the seat belt law. Again I think under your opinion you cannot prosecute a cell phone driver in an accident because you fell it is legal. You can't file charges for something that is not illegal.
Jack
11:20 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
John - you 100% misunderstand my point. Negligent driving, distracted driving and impaired driving is illegal - that's not my opinion, it's the law. If you are changing a CD, talking on the phone, disciplining a kid in the back seat, spilling your coffee or doing anything else legal at the time and it makes you drive negligently, that's illegal.
The law for that is in place. You just want to add layers of legislation and regulation to attempt to prevent it in people who are incompetent. I do not feel we need the government to treat us like small children, just because some people are idiots.
The seat belt law is a totally different issue and irrelevant to this discussion.
john
12:59 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
I din't think I misunderstand this issue.I do think that some people are so attached to their phone any legal limits would be like loosing an arm.The MBTA has banned(and fired) drivers from using phones. The police already check cell phone records at certain accidents to see if the driver was talking. You may be an expert at driving while talking but the general public should not be exposed to those who are not.
Jack
2:49 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
John - I didn't say you misunderstood the "issue" - it's a matter of opinion and you have your opinion. I said you misunderstood my "point" - big difference - which was that negligent driving is a crime whether or not the reason for being negligent is a legal activity or not. You seem to deliberately avoid understanding that.
MBTA drivers are at work, there is no reason for them to be on their personal phones while they are driving the public and in the workplace- it's a different issue and a red herring.
Of course police check cell phone records at crash sites - they want to know why the accident occurred. They want to know why EVERY accident occurred. If they discovered it was because the driver spilt hot coffee in their lap would you want to ban drinking coffee in the car?
None of us want to "be exposed" to negligent drivers (whatever the reason). There are laws on the books against negligent driving, let's use them to prosecute distracted and negligent drivers. This rush to increased regulation and more government intrusion as a default solution to cure societie's ills doesn't sit well with me at all - I worry for those who want to live in a Big Brother world where all risk is removed at the expense of liberty and personal freedom.
Dan D.
5:11 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Banning cell phone has had NO impact on accidents, according to this report: http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr012910.html. Don't you love actual facts! While the research can't figure out why, it certainly shows that such laws are a waste of time, money and energy. This article mentions that some are speculating that hands free (which is not banned anywhere) may be a culprit in not reducing accidents, but other speculation may be that people who are prone to careless use of cell phones while driving will also be prone to other careless behavior when behind the wheel. Everyone knows people who are "accident prone". These folks are not victims of some cosmic force of bad luck, but usually are careless, easily distracted ("oh look, puffy clouds!") types. So why would a government agency ignore actual facts? Any guesses??
Laura Kernan
8:58 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
One thing that is important to remember, is that one study does not make a fact. This is an interesting and useful starting point, but one study may be flawed for various reasons, some of which the researchers themselves point out in this article. If one study made a fact we wouldn't have needed hundreds of studies to say that cigarette smoking causes cancer, for example. Or conversely, we could have decided that it didn't based on the results of one study.
I suspect that in the coming years we will see more studies of this type and when we have a number of them we'll have a basis on which to make a decision of whether banning cell phone use makes a difference in the number of accidents occurring.
john
5:31 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
I recall a REPORT from the CIA that said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. I tend to rely on what I see rather than what I read. I saw a lady screaming into her phone as she passed a stopped school bus that was letting kids off.
Jack
7:26 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
John - I see all sorts of things that are potentially (or actually) dangerous, should we legislate for the whole population based on your experience of seeing a woman distracted by her phone? Clearly, you want legislation based purely on things that you have SEEN (as opposed to any actual data, which you mistrust) this seems like an unsound basis for making Federal or State laws and regulations.
I once saw an actual crash based on the fact that a dog in the car went crazy after seeing another dog on the sidewalk - I guess we should ban people having dogs in their cars now based on that experience?
This is obviously getting silly and it got that way the second someone suggested an outright cell phone ban in case someone got bad news while driving! Clearly we all have different concepts of freedom, liberty, personal responsibility and the role of government in micromanaging every detail of our lives - hopefully calm heads will prevail.
john
8:11 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
The someone you refer to was me and I think the majority of people will take my side.Your example of the dog causing an accident simply proves my point that some people can't drive and handle any other situation at the same time. Your dog goes crazy, your kid gets sick or your phone rings, pull over.It is rude to not pay attention to other drivers while you yak on the phone. I simply want laws to prosecute people who talk on the phone and threaten public safety.As I said I don't own a cell phone so my opinion will not change but I do think the laws will eventualy ban talking on a cell phone while driving. Maybe you should have to register as a cell phone driver with your insurence company so you can be charged extra for your dangerous habit.
Jack
8:24 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
John - this gets sillier and sillier, so I'll make one last comment and respectfully leave it there.
We all know that some drivers can't drive and handle any other situation at the some time - this is obvious. Be it drinking coffee, dealing with feisty dogs, dealing with cranky kids, following a GPS, changing a CD, talking to passengers... this is hardly a novel discovery.
You have focused in on one of hundreds of potential distractions - by comparison a pretty minor one - and have decided it should be banned for all drivers, because SOME drivers can't deal with ANY distraction.
It's an unsupportable argument, and the minute you start talking about "receiving bad news" it loses all credibility. Maybe passengers should be banned from breaking bad news to the driver also - a girlfriend breaking up with her driving boyfriend could easily cause an accident, we need to get the government involved there somehow too.
Laura Kernan
8:49 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Only it is not really an unsupportable argument, because there are a lot of studies that back up the fact that driving while using a cellphone (even a hands free device) increases your risk of having an accident. So it IS supportable.
I'm not really for legislating behavior either and your point that there are a lot of other ways to be distracted while driving is important, but if a preponderance of evidence points to one behavior being the cause of many accidents than maybe it is reasonable to legislate.
For example, we legislate speed limits. This is because we know that many people cannot control their car well past a certain speed. Sure, some people can. F1 racers sure can, but unfortunately if we set the speed limit for F1 racers, there'd probably be a lot more accidents.
Dan D.
10:06 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
This is more fun than anyone could imagine! From the "Facts are the enemies of truth (I saw someone once get distrated by a phone so it MUST be a universal problem)" to the "I'll wait until another study shows I'm right in my pre-concevied notion (so I'll ignore anything that shows I might be wrong)" arguments, we start to see why we have such a disfunctional, overreaching state and federal government! Don't bother me with facts, I know what feels "right"!