Selectmen Candidates Q&A: Athletic Complex Debt Exclusion
Part 2 in our Q&A series with the candidates for the Board of Selectmen deals with Question 1 on the Municipal Election ballot.
(Editor's Note: This is the second in a four-part series in which Tewksbury Patch asked the candidates for Selectmen for their views on some of the hot-button issues residents have been talking about. Part 2 deals with the proposed $1.935 million debt exclusion for an expanded athletic complex for the new high school..)
Do you support the $1.935 million debt exclusion being requested by the Friends of the Tewksbury Community Athletic Complex? why or why not?
Robert Marcin: Due to the current state of the economy and increases in our real estate taxes and water and sewer bills I could not support the override of proposition 2 ½ at this time; my main reason being its effect on the taxpayer. I am in favor of the improvement of our athletic facilities, however I feel as if we need to acknowledge larger issues before taking on more debt and putting a burden of more taxes on our residents. I believe that through fundraising and contributions from alumni, we can make improvements to our athletic facilities. During my son’s time as a student and member of the football team at Tewksbury High School, the field house at Doucette Field was being built. It is a great example of how we can come together as a community to make improvements to our athletic facilities and that a little effort from a lot of people can achieve great things. I am willing to lead and/or contribute to any fundraising activities that we may think of in the future.
Scott Wilson: I do support continuing to invest in our community. I partnered with the High School Building Committee to communicate the benefits of a new high school to my fellow residents. In turn, I voted for the $82M high school project and understood that the town’s obligation was $37M.
Now that the town’s cost has come in at $31M, adding the investment in the athletic complex brings us to $33M, which is significantly less than the original estimates that we all approved at the ballot. .
We have many important investments that need to be made in our community, but the athletic facility is one that is in front of us right now as the new high school is currently under construction. If we wait, we will lose the opportunity to take advantage of some significant cost savings.
I appreciate that a significant number of Tewksbury residents have volunteered their time, resources and energy to put this issue on the ballot. As a result of their efforts, all residents have an opportunity to weigh in on this decision.
I support Question 1 and encourage my fellow residents to support it as well, as we will all benefit from this investment in our community.
Kenneth Miano: First, I would like to commend the driving force behind the FOTCAC, such as Brian Dick and Paul Hibner, for all their time and energy spent on this project in the past, present and hopefully the future.
At this time, in our current financial situation, I cannot fully support a debt exclusion. Although one could rationalize that where the voters approved the original cost of the new high school and now it is projected to come in under budget, why not spend some of it on the new sports complex? One could also argue that we have no real hard evidence of the term of debt or when it is all said and done, what will the final cost per household be?
I am a huge supporter of Tewksbury youth sports, and while I want our kids to have the very best, I have to look at our current financial situation and in these tough economic times the result is nothing more than an exorbitant luxury. I would much rather see our money spent on education and retention of Tewksbury students, rather than they going to other schools. We cannot even keep the South Street Fire Station open full time or even the Town Hall. Possibly working together to find a range of ideas, such as a debt offering of some kind as well as naming rights, grants or advertising could bring the full package closer to fruition. But, at this time, I believe that installing lights and some type of a noise barrier for the abutters would be more advantageous to the community. I am sure that nothing could quite match the feeling of a community coming out for a “Friday Night Lights” event. The most, and I stress, the most important factor to consider is that everyone still has a vote and a voice through Open Town meeting to decide on its fate. So, if the citizens of Tewksbury come out and support this, then that is the will of the people.
David Gay: There is no doubt that Tewksbury could use a new athletic complex and I understand that the timing is an issue to coincide with the completion of the new high school scheduled to finish in the fall of 2012. I have heard many residents think that the timing is wrong and they are burdened with extra taxes and fees currently, especially with the sewer and water rates as they are. This is a prime example why residents should not give up their individual vote. If this passes at the Town vote on April 14th, this issue will go before the Tewksbury voters at Open Town Meeting in May where each individual registered voter will get their opportunity to decide if this complex should be part of the new high school at this point in time.
(Part 3 in our series, on Thursday, will deal with water and sewer rates.)
R Miano
8:33 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Just wondering why Mr Gay did not give an answer to the question about the new athletic complex? Is he for it or against it? The other 3 candidates gave definate answers. With the water/sewer bills and the property taxes we are paying this is not the time for an athletic complex. I have 3 boys ages 3, 4 & 14 and I know they would get use from a athletic complex but we simply can't afford it right now. My support is with Robert Marcin. He is an honest man that can help this town.
denise
5:51 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
i thought that too when i read his 'response'...i thought Miano answered it the way that made the most sense to me...
Melissa Gleaton
8:40 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Mr. Gay, please don't turn this into a charter discussion. If people are against this and want to defeat it, they can do it without town meeting at the ballot box. Chances are, if it does make it to town meeting, it will pass. This question isnt about town meeting. Where do YOU stand on the issue at hand?
Melissa Gleaton
9:31 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Mr. Marcin and Mr. Miano each have 3 votes from this house and, I hope, the votes of everyone who is against this tax increase.
Jennifer Nagle
10:09 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Melissa, I agree with your question to Selectman Gay, but out of curiousity, why would you state that this can be voted on without affecting the voting of a Selectman but state in your next post that you are voting for your choices in Selectmen due to their position in this issue?
Melissa Gleaton
11:29 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Hi Jennifer, I've made it clear here and on another site that I will not vote for any candidate who supports the 2 1/2 debt exclusion. I stated that it can be voted on (defeated, rather) without Town Meeting - not without selectmen. Since this is a question to the candidates for selectman (who are seeking votes and endorsement), and since this issue is a HUGE one for me, personally, I thought I'd throw my endorsement (at this time, based on what I know so far) behind the candidates who believe the Town should be conservative and responsible (by my definition of such), with the taxpayer's money. A selectman (or selectman candidate)'s views on taxing and spending are certainly only one criteria one should look for in choosing a representative, but for many, it is the most important in these economic times.
jo
10:16 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I tried to comment earlier but could not get through electronically. I am disappointed that Mr. Gay did not answer the question, but rather danced around it, as did Mr. Miano in a different kind of way. Mr. Gay was going to receive my first vote, however that is now going to Mr. Marcin. Mr Wilson and Mr. Miano are true to their commitment to sports, however they could receive some negative fallout from the article in today's Lowell Sun where abutters to the high school expressed their feelings that they were deceived by the committee behind the proposed athletic complex. I commend Mr. Cutelis and his building committee for apparently coming in under budget. that excess should be returned to tax payers, if possible in some form of reduction in water bills or whatever. I do commend the candidates who openly expressed their opinions on these issues. Being on a fixed income as are many at the center, an override or debt exclusion is not a popular idea. But the candidates who state their positions help the voters in making an informed decision.
R Miano
10:20 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
We need honesty and change on the Board of Selectman. Mr Marcin has my vote and my 2nd vote would go to Mr Miano. I'd also like to make the record clear although my last name and Mr Miano's last name are the same we are not related.
Dirk Anderson
11:24 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
David Gay lost a chance at my vote by completely avoiding answering the question. I cannot support Mr. Wilson either, as he would like to take away my vote and then approve spending on things we can ill afford.
Jim Wentworth
1:14 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Mr. Anderson, I appreciate your perspective. I’ve known Scott for over 25 years and I can tell you, he isn’t looking to take away anyone’s vote. The interesting thing is, for those people that say that, he would be taking away his own vote as well if that were true. He is a very active member of this community.
All of the major issues in town, i.e. New elementary schools, sewer project, athletic complex etc…will go to a ballot. The town will decide. Less than 2% of registered voters are able to come to Town Meeting but an average of 30% of voters participate in the ballot vote. As a resident, I would prefer to have 30% or 6,000 of my neighbors deciding on the future of Tewksbury versus the 75-90 residents that I see at Town Meetings.
A few of the candidates for Selectman are big supporters of Open Town Meeting but it would have been great to see them actually attend Annual Town Meetings or Special Town Meetings as they are looking to take a leadership role in this town. I'm sure they are facing some of the same challenges that most of our residents are in getting to those meetings.
Jim
Bill. S
6:08 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Jimmy,
Can you clear up something that Scott brings up in his response. He talks about 37m being approved and now the project is at 31m. so where is the other 6m? didnt we already borrow and start paying the 37m?
Bee Free
1:22 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
it is a debt exclusion, not a 2 1/2 override
bk
1:52 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I agree most of the residents who are going to vote NO but I am going to
vote YES for the following reason.
1. We do not have a HS Tennis court. It would be disappointing we are building a 21st century
HS and cant afford to put one there.
2. Try taking your kid to play Tennis on town courts on any summer evening.
You are right next to 30 - 40 Basket ball playing teenage kids. Its very noisy and occasional nasty words flying around.
I stopped going there and now go to the surrounding town's courts... feel like an asylum seeker to the other towns... in shame.
3. Tewksbury population is growing. Three courts at the recreation center is not enough.
4. If we were to do this later, we would need lot more money since we already have 'boots on the ground'.
I also agree with residents who wants to raise education standard in Tewksbury.
I, and I hope parents who supports this athletic complex, are with you when you a have plan for our schools.
I don't mind paying another 30 or 40 $ a year for that purpose in addition to
20$/year that its going to cost this field.... and no I am not a rich person, I would just skip eating-out one
lunch a YEAR for our town.
--BK
pmitchell
7:58 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I am not wealthy either. I did not enjoy the town putting in sewerage at a cost of at least $5000. per household with connection. Our schools were falling apart then. Our high school was in danger of losing its accreditation then but town leaders put the educational system on hold .(or in the toilet, pardon the pun). Now we all own property that no respectable person would purchase if they are interested in a quality education for their children. What were they thinking of???? This town is the bottom of the bucket.
paul jackson
8:09 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I am sick of the stupidity too. This town has been controlled by the same group for the last 30 years. The power block puts up candidates and makes you think that they have huge support. Look for the multiple groups that are on the lawns. They want you to think they are the winners before the election ever takes place. We all have a choice. Look at the candidates and their qualifications. Don't just toss the baby out with the bathwater. Some incumbents have done a great job.........
R Miano
2:21 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
You wouldn't mind paying an extra 30-40 dollars a year? I will mind paying an extra 30-40 dollars a year. I am tired of paying more and more every year. Give us a break will ya.. I have 3 kids in Tewksbury Schools. I would love a complex for them but it comes done to money and WE don't have money.
I grew up in this town. I have lived here my entire life. I lived here when we had one traffic light on Main St. It was not always this expensive to live here.
I just got my town water bill. $415.00 6 months before that it was $385.00. I don't have town sewerage. Not because I don't want town sewer it's because I can't afford to hook up. I pay $4900.00 in property tax. Then you got excise tax. Basically I pay the town about $6000.00 a year to live here. Not to mention if I have a birthday party at my house or a big holiday I need to pay Allied Waste $5.00 for a little orange sticker to put on my extra trash bag. Are you kidding me? We need change and we need it now. Lets get some fresh faces on the board. Let someone else have a try as Selectman.
Just the facts
2:43 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
R miano --- you obviously do not understand what has transpired and if you lived in town your entire life than you did not pay attention until it was too late. None of the current selectman had anything to do with the sewer project except for the fact that they have to face the music for poor decisions made by former selectman and residents who approved of the plan.
Previous selectman approved the sewer and water project and Open Town Meeting approved of their plan. The project was completed to the tune of $120 million dollars and now the bill is due. Nobody is going to be able to get us out of this debt/mess. The Town Manager shifted some of the debt to lessen the burden but the bottom line is we owe the money as a town. There is no getting around it so I am not quite sure what you think these these fresh faces are going to do to alleviate your taxes.
bk
3:49 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
R Miano,
I have two kids in the schools here and still I feel 20$/year is a great deal to get these facilities IMHO.
>>I grew up in this town. I have lived here my entire life. I lived here when we had >>one traffic light on Main St. It was not always this expensive to live here.
May be just like our surrounding towns were but If you noticed, they have moved on. We can't expect good services with low taxes. I move around few of our surrounding towns and see them making visible progress almost every quarter.
--BK
Melissa Gleaton
4:56 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I don't think R. Miano is faulting the current BOS with the sewer issue. I believe he/she means that BECAUSE of that, there is no money.
Just the facts - you say "Nobody is going to be able to get us out of this debt/mess." So because of this, you're content to just throw the baby out with the bathwater and create MORE debt/mess?
R Miano
2:57 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I am not going to get into a battle with you. I am very aware how we got into this debt. I am 36yrs old and I was born and raised in town. I along with many others feel that we need some fresh faces on this board. I am not quite sure who you are but I am willing to bet you are 1 of 2 people trying to be re-elected to the Board of Selectman. If you feel you have all the anwsers please let me know how you can alleviate my taxes.
RunningGreen
2:59 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
R. Miano, I assume you're related to Ken Miano, who I believe is ironically running for Selectman this year. Right?
R Miano
3:07 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Actually I have never met Ken Miano and he is not related to me. I am also not related to the Tewksbury Police officer that shares my last name. I am voting for Bob Marcin.
RunningGreen
3:27 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Then I sincerely apologize. Sorry for my wrong assumption.
R Miano
3:37 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
No problem I figured people would assume that. On an earlier post I stated I am not related to Mr Miano. Its not a common name.
R Miano
3:00 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Does David Gay use this website? If so maybe he can chime in here and let us know how he feels about this Athletic Complex.
jo
3:18 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
That actually would not be fair, since citizens have critiqued the responses already. The best advice that I could give to David Gay is to stand by the original response (or lack thereof) that he gave. I also will vote for Mr. Marcin. Right now I am not sure that I will be casting a second vote. A debt exclusion is a serious issue and a selectman has to stand up and be counted as to where he or she stands. At least Mr Wilson has done that, but I have issues with his stance on this matter as with others that have come before the board.
R Miano
3:20 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Jo, I couldn't agree with you more. I didn't think of the fact the people have already voiced their opinion on this issue.
RJG
3:53 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I too was hoping to vote for Mr Gay but I too will not give my vote someone who could not even answer a direct question when asked. It looks like Mr. Marcin and Mr. Miano will be getting 2 votes here. I understand of all the pressure on these men by various groups but to know that in these tough, tough economic times to show even a little fiscal restraint is refreshing.
malcolm nichols
4:20 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
STOP throwing away our money. The students do not need a state of the art sports complex. Sports is for fun and a bit of exercise and in some cases teamwork. No upgraded complex is needed for this.
Perhaps the town can sell some assets if it wants to raise funds, maybe we should sell our Livingston Fields, or that football stadium next to the Ryan School.
JBennett
4:54 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I will be voting for Mr. Gay on April 14th. Selectman Gay has a proven record that fiscal responsibility is a high priority based on his hard work to bring in much needed businesses to our community. So far you are the only candidate that has substance and a solid background. Good luck Mr. Gay, you are the frontrunner as far as this household is concerned.
Melissa Gleaton
5:12 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Needs come before wants. How can ANYONE lobby to be so irresponsible as to take out a greater loan than needed for something that "would be nice to have"??
Supporters can keep repeating that the entire project (including the complex) will "still come in less than the original projection", but THIS household would like to reduce the cost of that loan as much as possible.
How dare supporters ask for extra money for something that is a "want" when the Town is going to have to ask for money for things that are "needs"?
How can any public official support a measure that puts the taxpayers in a position where they have no choice but to say no to more money for schools and a fire station because they were forced to pay for an athletic complex and are completely tapped out?
Jake P
5:36 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I ask here again: Did Mr Marcin and Mr Miano regularly attend our town meetings in the past. I'm not sure of the answer but just can't give my vote to someone that has never been part of the process They both state open town meeting is so important so can someone please answer the question?
StephFace
9:10 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
The school also doesn't NEED a state of the art auditorium, a gigantic gymnasium with 3 basketball courts and a suspended track, or a room specifically for robotics. Are you also against those?
Look, this new school was not approved because it was cheap. It was approved because this community wants a high school campus that they can be proud of and that can compete with surrounding towns.
How about you start trying to get the things you call "needs" done in the town. The FOTCAC identified something they thought was important for the town and are now trying to get it done. So, instead of sitting back and complaining about them, go start a campaign to improve the schools or get the fire station funded.
R Miano
5:40 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I would much rather see the South St firehouse open then a new athletic complex.
Melissa Gleaton
5:44 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Jake P, I have no idea. I think you can get that information from the Town Clerk's office. At the risk of going off topic, I haven't attended half the town meetings since I've lived here, but I've voted at the ballot every time. That doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the opportunity to be heard and vote at Town meeting.
Melissa Gleaton
11:28 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Hi StephFace,
The auditorium, gymnasium and robotics room (for engineering, an ACADEMIC course) AND new fields were part of an original high school plan which was debated, and approved by the town. I was not against the new high school in the least. I even stood out during rallies prior to the town meeting in their favor. High schools do need auditoriums and gymnasiums and athletic fields. The town approved those.
The new school was NOT approved because the community wants a high school campus they could be proud of. The new school was approved because it was NEEDED. It was NEEDED in order for us to get accredited. It was NEEDED to hopefully improve student performance because of the upgraded facilities and supplies, which in turn would make us proud, and raise the value of our homes.
The FOTCAC's efforts should not be discredited. I agree that it would be great if we COULD get what they're trying to achieve. They tried to raise private funds, which should be commended. But to ask for tax money is not a smart move.
I expect my taxes to pay for the necessities in this town, including public safety, school buildings and other related educational expenses. There is no need to privately raise funds to keep us safe or provide adequate houses of knowledge. The town is GETTING new fields. It's "not good enough." That is what many voters are taking issue with.
Bill. S
3:28 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
stephface is right. this weekend I will be standing outside of wallmart with a coffee can taking collections to keep the fire stations up and running. My organization will be FOTFD
StephFace
6:38 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I like the idea, Bill!
Bill. S
6:05 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Hey just the facts,
When exactly was the master sewer plan approved? I moved here in 1996 and I admit that I may not have "paid attention until it was too late" now I am stuck paying for it. Now I pay attention and I dont want to pay for the field of dreams.
Ronald
6:35 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Way to dance around the question David. Typical
Jake P
6:28 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Mellisa, Personally when I vote I want someone who has been interested in the process enough to be involved, especially if I am voting them into the role of selectman , essentially "president" of our town. Both these candidates may well have been but I just wanted to clarify. Heck they may have even served on boards or commitees but I can't find any info on either of them,where they stand on issues besides those discussed here etc.. Do either of them have a website? I believe in educating myself about candidates before I vote
Chris Kelly
8:28 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I have four general questions / comments.
Learning: do people who are against the complex understand that athletics is a valuable part of the learning process? I know the town is facing some serious issues in regards to the recent MCAS results in math. Many students learn via athletics that are difficult to teach in the classroom.
Investing in Tewksbury: how do we expect to attract developers to redevelop abandon properties in town if we are unwilling to invest money into improving the town? Many posters have commented about the desire to attract new businesses and make Tewksbury a more livable place. If I was a developer, I would have serious hesitation in redeveloping any properties if this fails to pass.
School bullying: most studies show that school athletes are more likely to bully other students since they are considered to be the cool crowd. How do the supporters of the facility plan to address bullying issues that result from the culture of school sports? I sense that spending additional money on a school athletic facility while failing to spend money on other activities is sending a bad massage.
Financing: has this group considered building a scaled down version of the project or building certain aspects of the project over a period of time? A good analogy is a major home improvement project. Many individuals have to make decisions on what to include or implement over time due to finances. The proposal seems like an all or nothing approach.
Dirk Anderson
11:50 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Chris, nobody is trying to get rid of sports in the town. We just think that grass is just fine and that our children won't be too emotionally scarred if their home football games will have to be played during daylight hours.
As for investing, this town has invested more than any other in the last few years! Tehre is a brand new, state of the art high school being built as we speak (well....type), we have just added sewer across the entire town and have to seen the new senior center? There are plenty of shortfalls in Tewksbury, but lack of investment isn't currently one.
Melissa Gleaton
8:29 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Jake P, I agree with you 100%. All too often people vote uninformed. I've only started paying attention in the last 5 years or so and I've learned so much. I encourage everyone to do their due diligence to be informed voters. Candidates should make it easy to do that.
Bob
9:13 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Chris, My comments:
Learning - If it isn't approved, athletics would still progress. The new HS has a new field.
Investing - I doubt any developer would look at a new athletic field and say I won't build in that town if they don't build it. I would suspect a developer would look at it and say "the town is under water and they want to add a pool" and decide not to build.
Bullying - Again whether it is built or not, athletics will remain and go on.
Financing - I agree!
Melissa Gleaton
11:36 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Hey Jake P, I just wanted to share the websites I found, since you were asking.
http://www.electkenmiano.com/
http://tewksbury.patch.com/articles/letter-to-the-editor-statement-from-robert-marcin
SAM
1:02 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
BOTTOM LINE: No new taxes. I can not pay more taxes. If anyone out there wants to pay my taxes, then I will vote for this new athletic complex. Any takes??????
BM
3:45 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Well put Sam . I will NEVER vote for another override again in this town ! FOTAC and the School committee need to wake up and take a good look around !
Jessica Sampson
1:29 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
If anyone still thinks we should fund athletic fields check Tewksbury MCAS scores. Now, I do not like MCAS, nor believe in them, but they are what we have to go by, and they show that are schools are failing.
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores11/results/tewksbury.htm
bk
3:14 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Jessica,
You are mixing two different things. We need to improve on our school system and I
would vote for it ... 'when' we have a plan for it.
But we also need to improve our sporting facility for which we have a plan 'now'.
--BK
Brian Dick
8:09 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Not sure of the correlation regarding athletics and MCAS. If your relating it to $, we definetly could use more $ to help improve both areas.
There is room for improvement.
There is plenty of hardwork going on between teachers/administrators and students now to help improve our MCAS scores. Having sit through each schools improvement plan during our last couple of School Committee meetings, I was encouraged to see the effort and focus and data that is going into improving our scores over the next year. Our new GoMath initiative for our students will help at all levels as well. There are great things happening with our teachers and students. There are positives in differnet areas of our scores. Please don't sum it up that our schools are failing.
BM
3:43 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
BK , You are out of line !! You think in order to fund this Complex through 2 1/2 is the way to go ? YOU as well as the rest of the town boards have their priorities so out touch it is sickening ! WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY !!!! This household will be voting NO on the sports complex .
Jake P
5:46 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Thanks Mellisa I'll read them I wonder why the candidates themselves are not on here answering these questions again thanks
denise
6:03 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I am 'assuming' that the candidates are not answering on this post, because they dont want to get in a 'pissing match' with people who have already put their opinions online...
Brian Dick
7:42 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
With all this good weather you would think our H.S. teams are doing what they need to do to kick off their 2012 spring season. I know the boys Lax team still has a flooded field at the Wynn. They are unable to scrimmage for their Jamboree this Saturday. If new field was installed, it wouldn't be a problem. A few of the boys twisted ankles today in the mud at one end of the field. Ask the trainer.
Girls youth softball had indoor tryouts last Sunday in the gym at the High School because the fields where still unplayable and were not allowed on them even though it was a 75 degree day with sun shining bright with little rain. If there was an all purpose field at the High School, the girls would have been able to conduct tryouts outside during that sunny day on the field. Parents sat on the sideline of the gym watching and dodging balls as they were trying to do hitting tryouts.
Bob
12:00 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Funny, my HS had grass fields and we sent many to the major colleges and even some to the pros! We used the HS gym ALL the time for baseball, football, soccer and many other outdoor sports. Good coaches will adapt and over come!
As for the Wynn field, may I suggest the HUGE complex on Livingston St? Also are you saying that no one has ever had an injury from a turf field? Maybe TURF TOE? How about the NFL study that says injuries like ACL's (88% more often) are MORE common on FieldTurf fields than grass? Or Sprained ankles are more common on FieldTurf fields? Come on Brian and stop this! You are not doing your cause any favors! If you want to get into it here.
I agree I would love to see this happen! Just NOT with tax dollars!
Bill. S
1:34 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Brian Please,
I managed youth baseball in this town for the past 6 years. I got sent to practice at Trayhan one time and when I arrived , I found a piece of asphalt being used for home plate. that is just one poor field condition story from my 6 years, I could go on for hours but you know what? nobody cares. we made the best with what we had
Bill. S
1:47 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Oh and I forgot Brian that I currently pay over $2000 per year for my kid to play youth hockey. any idea why it cost so much. maybe because tewksbury has talked about building a rink since 1970 and it has not happened, so do you think I care about a muddy field, and should this muddy field make me want to pay for your field of dreams?
Brian Dick
7:51 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Yesterday's Lowell Sun had pictures of the Westford Track team utilizing their all purpose field for drills and stretching.
It would be nice to see enough facilities for a boys tennis team to form. Currently not enough for boys and girls at Livingston. With 5 added tennis courts that would help both the girls and the boys teams to grow and compete on campus just like all of the other MVC schools.
Chris Kelly
9:22 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
For the record, I am in favor of the athletic complex but I am against the article on the ballot question. The ballot question is set up as an all or nothing approach. I truly believe the committee backing this question needs to reexamine the scope of the project. I understand and agree with individuals who are concerned about the continuous asking of additional tax money for small projects.
With that said, the desire to revitalize abandon properties in town is tied to Tewksbury showing the willingness to place additional investments in the town. The vote for the new high school was based more on necessity rather than the need to improve the town. Many people forget an article to repair the old high school failed only seven years ago. Corporations hire planners who examine town demographics before deciding locations to build. Although I doubt a specific vote against the athletic complex is going to have a huge impact, the long term trend is against making investments to improve the town the livability of the town. I understand the need for the town to operate in a fiscally responsible manner.
I am hoping that individuals from both sides can sit down and figure out a compromise that would include private and public money along with phased development. Tewksbury truly lacks recreational facilities and any common areas for residents to enjoy for leisure purposes. However, the all or nothing approach of the article makes supporting these efforts challenging.
Melissa Gleaton
10:19 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
It's unfortunate that FOTAC didn't stop at requesting a lacross field and tennis court. They might have gotten the support they needed. Asking for all the extra bells and whistles has put the whole project under intense scrutiny, and tennis and lacross will lose in the end.
Bee Free
6:43 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
we have to be conservative as a town on this one and put our vote where our mouths are am surprised to see no support for a plan-;less complex but support for plan-less candidates it is inconsistent the selectmen did their job procedurally their opinion on this doesn't really matter they don't owe us divine guidance asking them to make a call goes against the exact open town meeting you all are calling for keeping
jo
6:51 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
What strikes me is the inconsistencies in the planning processes for both the athletic complex and the town charter revision. It seems as if the proposals keep changing, or additions are made at the last minute. Mr. Dick and Mr Wilson, who seem to be in the forefront of these issues, have not instilled any sense of confidence in their leadership abilities- at least to me. My perception of a town leader is one who looks at the entire picture and how their decisions would impact the population of the town. I just get the sense that these two gentlemen are pushing their own agenda.
Sean Czarniecki
9:15 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Brian (or anyone else with this info) - I was just looking on the website and could only find a drawing/layout of the current plan in one of the presentations. Is there a layout anywhere of the proposed complex? Where would the tennis courts go (do they require removal of anything like parking?)? Will the tennis courts also be lighted? How close are they to the abutters?
I saw one presentation up there that provides a long-term cost comparison, but had to hunt around for it. While I am VERY skeptical about assumptions made for potential future revenue, other numbers are useful for both sides to see.
One last question - It is my understanding that Strong field currently is not for public use (please correct me if I'm wrong). Does that change at all under the new plan? What will that field be used for if football games move to the new field? ...only high school football practice? I'm assuming that the area inside the track would be for the soccer team practice in the fall.
Brian Dick
12:31 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Just for clarification the football team practices primarily behind the main field at Doucette. It’s a small area that they practice in. As you know they play games on Saturdays 5 to 6 times a year on the main field at Doucette and Thanksgiving every other year. Fridays or Thursdays they walk through practice on the main field.
Just a point, if you saw a football game this year, you know the field is in rough shape after the wet season they played in last year. The middle of the field was replaced two years ago and was expensive.
If a field like this was installed at the high school, you can bet it would be in rough shape with our New England weather after two years with all the play it will get from the High School alone as well as the youth teams.
Brian Dick
12:31 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
I don’t have the answer on who will play where and when. As you know its not up to the FTCAC. It would be up to the athletic/school department. Either way, the football team would still have to practice at Doucette whether turf field is installed or not. If turf goes in the football team probably plays 5 times a year max and maybe Thanksgiving every other year. There would be more play by field hockey, soccer, lax, track on that area than football. Not sure of the changes to Doucette field, but having an all purpose field will give more options to the Athletic Department on scheduling games and where teams will play and when that they don’t have now. I would hope we would be able to have more games play at Doucette if we get the all-purpose field. However, I believe, there are dimension limitations to some sports if they were to play on Doucette. If you have been there for a football game, the fence around the field is just off the field. I am pretty sure the soccer field is much bigger than a football field for example. Not sure if they would be able to play there because of the fence being so tight around the field. Currently the Track team works out at Doucette, with field events especially now as they don’t have a home.
Brian Dick
12:32 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Regarding a long term cost comparison, we have never had a formal piece up there let me see if we can get something up there for community reference. We have referenced numbers in presentations before and when speaking to town boards. There are plenty of facts about this on the internet and from other towns who have installed all-purpose compared to grass.
I know the High School baseball team is using Strong Field. I know some of youth baseball teams have also used it. When my son played for in town we practiced on it. Not sure on community usage of that field. I do know the baseball team has tarps on it from time to time to preserve the grass infield during the rainy season. I am sure there are limitations to when you can use it based on that dynamic. The High School team does have priority when in season. The football team is at Doucette field – baseball and I believe girls soccer is at Strong field in fall.
Brian Dick
12:32 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
The footprint of the field does not change. So you can use any existing design of the new high school for reference. The proposal would be to remove grass and install the turf. The 5 tennis courts would be on the right hand side as you drive into the new High School. No removal of parking. There is an area of unused property on the high school grounds where they are being proposed. The proposal does ask for lighted tennis courts. Not sure of exact footage to abutters on tennis courts, you can get a better look at any architectural drawings of the High School. Regarding the track, the closest distance to an abutter’s extreme edge of their property line to the fence of the existing track is roughly 70+ feet. The 70+ feet consists of existing woods and proposed plantings. That’s the closest and goes up from there. This information was given to me by project manager. I walked it with him.
BM
9:17 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Thats why Wilson will not get my vote . He is in it for himself and doesn't not care about the greater good of this town .
Karyn
9:33 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
jo....didn't you hear? Time and again we've been told (at least with the charter, but I think it can "apply" to the athletic complex as well)...."people are focusing too much on the "process" and how we got here when it's all about the final product." This type of thinking never made ANY sense to me. If you can find fault with/don't trust the PROCESS/PROCEDURE and the manner in which things were done how can one NOT be skeptical about the so-called finished product?
Bob
12:19 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
BM, I have to disagree. I don't agree with Scott on many issues, past and present, but I never question his heart and desire to make this town a better place to live. He loves this town and he loves sports. He is raising a family here and wants them to be proud of the town they grew up in. I find we usually agree on the end result but disagree on what path is best to get there. I don't know if I will vote for Scott this time around but it will be because of issues not because of his lack of love for the town! For anyone to question that is crazy! Separate the personal from the issue at hand.
BM
12:54 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Bob , I am not questioning Mr. Wilson's love for his town . I am raising a family here in town too . A sports complex is not a priority in town . I think I can speak for a lot of people in town who have had it . Taxes in this town are outrageous and Mr. Wilson , the school committee , Board of Selectmen either don't care or don't see it !!! This town should have a moratorium on Prop. 2 1/2 . When is enough going to be enough ? I have two kids in town sports and still we don't want this complex . This town has got to start living within it's means and take a good hard look as to where it's priorities should be .
Bob
1:24 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
OK but your statement was "He is in it for himself and doesn't not care about the greater good of this town ".
I agree with the budget and I will be voting no as I always have for more spending than we can afford. On that we agree.
Bill. S
1:24 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Bob and BM,
you both make good points. I can not vote for scotty this time either, but I would stop short of saying that he cares only about his own agenda I believe he is into town politics for the right reasons but I do think he may have lost some perspective somewhere along the way.
Sean Czarniecki
1:39 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Thanks for the info, Brian. ...and I meant Doucette when I said Strong field.
Brian Dick
5:31 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Thanks for asking and good questions.