Tewksbury Native: I've Cracked The Code Of The Zodiac Killer
Corey Starliper believes he has solved the 41-year-old "340" cipher and has identified the legendary serial killer who terrorized northern California.
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To most, the word “Zodiac” conjures up images of astrological symbols and the positions of stars. Corey Starliper, a Tewksbury native and hobby code-cracker, thinks of a serial killer of the same name.
Starliper also thinks that he has solved a cipher devised by Zodiac that has remained unsolved for over 40 years.
Zodiac was the name taken by a murderer who operated in the San Francisco area, including Napa, Solano, and Vallejo counties, in 1968 and 1969. Zodiac sent encrypted communication to area newspapers, taking credit for killings and warning of more to come, according to Robert Graysmith, who personally investigated the murders and wrote several books on the case.
Police attributed seven murders and two attempted murders to Zodiac because of information he was able to provide that was unavailable to the public, though the number of unconfirmed victims may be much higher.
The first coded communication was a three-part cipher sent in portions to the Vallejo Times-Herald, the San Francisco Chronicle, and the San Francisco Examiner on July 31, 1969, according to “Most Evil," written by Steve Hodel. The complete cipher contained 408 characters and was published on August 2 and 3, 1969 in accordance to Zodiac’s demands. It took just a few days for the code to be deciphered.
“The first one was cracked by a history teacher and his wife,” said Starliper. “What I’m driving at was the first code was cracked by amateurs. So they figure that any communication after that would be able to be cracked by amateurs.”
After the decryption of the first code, Zodiac sent many more communications to law enforcement and the media, including his most famous: a 340-character cipher, mailed to the San Francisco Chronicle, according to zodiackillerfacts.com. To this day, the cipher has not been completely cracked.
Starliper, however, believes he has found the solution to that code.
“The first time I saw this code was a couple of years ago, and I knew that it could be cracked,” he said. “It was just instinct, I had a gut feeling that it could be cracked. Any code created by man can be cracked by man.”
A 2007 movie entitled “Zodiac” was what sparked interest in Starliper about the case.
“I saw the movie first, and when I saw the movie, (I had) instant interest in it,” he said, snapping his fingers. “When I read the book, I was ... just hungry for more when the book ended.”
Starliper describes the Zodiac serial killer case as “extraordinarily consuming.”
“I became absolutely obsessed with the case, to the point that I’d look up from Graysmith’s books ... and realize that I’d actually forgotten to eat.”
Starliper said that after becoming interested in the code, he abandoned it for some time, but after that, an idea for breaking the code came to him almost by “accident.”
According to Robert Graysmith, in “Zodiac,” tips received by police after Darlene Ferrin’s murder indicated that the killing was connected to the U.S Virgin Islands. Starliper believed that the “340” of the 340 cipher was significant, and had some tie-in with the U.S. Virgin Islands. It was then that he found out that 340 is the area code for a portion of the U.S Virgin Islands — not an insignificant connection.
“So that’s what I started with,” said Starliper. “I thought, there’s no way ... that Zodiac is going to be prosaic enough not to mention the U.S. Virgin Islands in this code. This is where it gets even creepier. 3+4+0=7. Right. So you get 7+0=7. 707...707 are the area codes for Vallejo, Napa, and Solano. So I figured, why not start this with Caesar code using 3,4.”
Caesar code is a substitution type cipher where an encoder has “simply replaced each letter in a message with the letter that is three places further down the alphabet,” according to http://www.simonsingh.net/The_Black_Chamber/caesar.html.
This doesn’t mean the 340 is such an easy task to decode, considering the fact that the original 340 cipher is full of symbols: >, +, and ▲ being just a few of the signs found in the code. To combat this problem, Starliper extracted symbols and changed them to letters they could correspond with. For example, a ^ or < symbol could be interpreted as inverted or sideways “V”s.
“I first went in there and I did that,” he said. After everything symbolic had been interpreted alphabetically, he started applying reverse Caesar shifts. He found the first two letters to be “K” and “I.”
“What are the next two going to be? Right? I figure, what’s the first word he’s going to throw in there? Kill,” said Starliper. “And I was able to keep going from there.” For the first few lines, the pattern remained constant, but it changed beyond that. He said he was able to figure out the non-patterned series that by finding “similarities in the numerical sequence.”
Starliper split his work into two sessions of six hours and three hours. When he was done, he had decoded the following text:
KILL/SLF/DR/HELP/ME/KILL/MYSELF/GAS/CHAMBER
/AEIOUR/DAYS/QUESTIONSABLE/EVERYY/WAKING
/MOMENT/IM/ALIVE/MY/PRIDE/LOST/I/CANT/GO
/ON/LIVING/IN/THIS/WAY/KILLING/PEOPLE/I/HAV/KILLD
/SO/MANY/PEOPLE/CANT/HELP/MYSELF/IM/SO/ANGRY
/I/COULD/DO/MY/THING/IM/ALONE/IN/THIS/WORLD
/MY/WHOLE/LIFE/FUL/O/LIES/IM/UNABLE/TO/STOP
/BY/THE/TIME/YOU/SOLVE/THIS/I/WILL/HAV/KILLD
/ELEVEN/PEOPLE/PLEASE/HELP/ME/STOP/KILLING/PEOPLE
/PLEASE/MY/NAME/IS/LEIGH/ALLEN/
(A printable PDF of Starliper's proposed solution is attached.)
Arthur Leigh Allen was a prime suspect during the Zodiac investigation. When Sherwood Morrill, a handwriting expert, examined Allen’s writing, he told investigators that the writing was “similar, but not the Zodiac killer’s,” according to “Zodiac Unmasked” by Robert Graysmith. Allen also passed a polygraph exam during the investigation.
These facts don't bother Starliper.
“Leigh Allen in that situation was forcing his handwriting to look different from the way that he normally wrote,” said Starliper, referencing the work of detectives.
Allen died in 1992 at age 58.
The discovery of a possible solution to the code wasn’t “disturbing,” as Starliper said he had heard it described, but invigorating.
“To me, I found it exciting, that I was actually able to get into his head when nobody had for over 40 years,” said Starliper. “It was a high. One of the best highs I had ever experienced was cracking something that nobody else had cracked in over 40 years.”
Starliper didn’t let it rest at just solving the code. He tried to get in touch with the counties where the murders originally took place and received little response.
“But Napa, after I sent them the solution to the code, said that they would delve into the case later on in the year. Which to me means, 'you know what kid ... leave me alone.'”
Along with a lack of progress contacting Solano, Vallejo, and Napa counties, Starliper has contacted the San Francisco Cold Case Unit and Special Investigative Unit without response.
“I didn’t want it getting lost in the mix. I wanted to contact someone directly,” he said. “It’s frustrating that ... interest in the case has dropped off, because at one time it was one of San Francisco’s highest priorities. It’s disheartening to know that the authorities have basically shut the door on it.”
He even sent the code to a author with knowledge of the case, who, after looking over the solution, said that it appeared “not valid,” according to Starliper.
“That really ticked me off,” he said. ““With a code that constantly changes a pattern ... you can’t attack it using brute force. There are people who have tried. Out of all of the solutions that I’ve seen this one has the highest readability and probability for accuracy that I’ve ever come across.”
What Starliper hopes to do is to apply his number patterns to the other unsolved ciphers that Zodiac sent to the police.
“What I really mean to do by cracking these codes ... my main goal, is to figure out, for one, exactly who did it, and to bring peace to the families of at least some of Zodiac’s suspected victims,” he said.
(Editor's note: Corey Starliper is a former correspondent for Tewksbury Patch.)
Karyn
1:49 pm on Thursday, July 21, 2011
Very interesting read.
Corey Starliper
2:52 pm on Thursday, July 21, 2011
I had a lot of fun cracking it. Now lets see how many people take me seriously.
EDWARD WILKES
11:26 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011
Good for you Corey!
George A Donohue Jr
5:05 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
Corey, would you consider a position at the National Security Agency ?
viroots999
9:02 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
I have a small issue. The Virgin Island went from area code 809 to 340 in the 1990s.
Blake Kincaid
9:08 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
It may mean very little for all Counties and Cities involved but it was enlightening to read a new perspective on a otherwise same prime suspect. On an old interview video of Mr. Leigh Allen, you can observe and read off his struggle to hide something from his past. He was just too quick to disclaim, and too slow in gathering his anger which appeared forced on a dime. Congratulations Mr. Corey Starliper, you have indeed come the closest to the truth.
Johnie Blanchett
10:22 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
Good for you... seems as if you have done it my good man.
susan
10:31 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
You are Amazing!!!! Good for you and don't let anyone take this away from you! A lot of people deep down including police officers always believed it was Arthur Leigh Allen ; they just didn't have the right evidence to charge him with and now you just made History! You are always going to be known as the man who finished and solved The Zodiac case! Well done!
Eugene Baldovino
3:34 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Hey Corey. Maybe you can crack the cyper of Olivier Levasseur, and find his treaure. (wikipedia him)
Julie
7:47 pm on Thursday, July 21, 2011
Pretty cool Corey, hope they do respond to you, they should at least look into it.
Tom King
9:18 pm on Thursday, July 21, 2011
Living in the bay area as a kid when these killings were going on was a bit scary. You never knew where he might strike. And I wish the writer had checked his facts a bit better. There is no Vallejo county. It is a city in Solano County
Mysterialist
11:02 pm on Thursday, July 21, 2011
The Virgin Islands didn't use that area code till 1997. The cipher was written about 38 years before that. It's just a coincidence, and not much of one.
Crimsonrayne
4:57 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
It is true that the Virgin Island area code being 340 is a coincidence. However, the number of characters IS 340, from which you could still derive a 3,4 and so on. We do not know the mind of the one who wrote the cypher and we cannot say that he did not intentionally write a three hundred and forty character cypher with the number of characters being the actual clue. If that were true, than the clue remains 3-4-0...and that could still have been a clue for an area code....it is just as possible as it is impossible; again, we do not know the mind of the one who created the cypher.
Whatever way the person deciphering comes to their conclusion (we all have different methods of decoding), we can all agree that that it is a series of guesses until suddenly words start forming...and he certainly did get a lot of connecting words.
I say, if you do not feel that his job was accurate, that you try it and see if you can come up with anything better.
Corey Starliper
12:50 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
I know. That was an error on my part. I should have done my research.
Andrew Hafner
5:20 am on Friday, July 22, 2011
Dude that is awesome! Good job! My eyes literally watered when I read your solution. I hope you will publish whatever else you may uncover.
Corey Starliper
2:59 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011
Thanks Andrew
Adam Johnson
10:47 am on Friday, July 22, 2011
I don't think this is correct. The cipher is 340 characters, but the solution is 350.
Crimsonrayne
4:30 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Actually, the solution is 340.
scott
4:12 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011
LOL
If you're going to abandon homophonic substitution, then you need to explain why you arbitrarily assign letter values to the symbols and then arbitrarily casered everything. On what basis? With what pattern?
You basically set up the conditions which enabled you to "create" this solution. Even if you think you FOUND it. Using the rules you seem to have established we could all write our own solutions.
Corey Starliper
12:48 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
Monkeys, given enough time and enough computer power could eventually write out all of shakespeare's sonnets in order. For all we know this could be the alphabet 30 times over. Without the write up, which I should have produced first, its not surprising that people would think it makes no sense. I'd like people to remain open while I take the time to put the write up together, but Im also open to constructive criticism.
John C. King
12:10 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011
On Zodiackiller.com they are also saying that this so called "solution" is bogus http://zodiackiller.21.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=6036
ant
12:28 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011
This "method" is nothing but random substitution with traditional cipher solutions thrown in whenever it's convenient. Not convincing at all. As stated before, the Virgin Islands didn't use that area code until 1997. 809 was the code before then. So the Zodiac is a time traveler!? That's just great. A murdering time traveler. We're all screwed! LOL. Good try.
Corey Starliper
12:45 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
The substitution is not random, and I have posted on my facebook wall that the write up will be out shortly. Are there certain errs from what you can tell in what you know about the deciphering method? I didn't use straight Caesar shift for the this code. There were other methods I applied.
Chris Dary
11:07 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011
“The first time I saw this code was a couple of years ago, and I knew that it could be cracked,” he said. “It was just instinct, I had a gut feeling that it could be cracked. Any code created by man can be cracked by man.”
No cryptanalyst - even a hobbyist - would ever say this. One Time Pads are very real and legitimately uncrackable. Judging by this and other comments debunking other parts of the story, this dude must be very new to the game or have led himself to this solution.
[ Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad ]
David Soares
11:31 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011
This aint the guy. The Zodiac killed a couple people I knew, I grew up in Vallejo CITY and graduated in 1969. I was good friends with the Napa lead investigator. His DNA didnt match DNA on one of the envelopes. We used to go inoto the ACE hardware on Tenn. St and stare at him...try again.
harold
7:33 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
DNA in 1969..don't think so David..
Robert Parish
7:55 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
David,
I too grew up in Vallejo, the City and after shopping at Ace Hardware went next door to the Foster Freeze for a burger and a shake. Explain what you are talking about when you say you stared at him?????
carrie
8:55 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
They did a DNA a few years back, not in '69 duh
Vern Cross
2:28 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Not sure that it matters now. I also lived in Vallejo then. David Farraday was one of my best friends. Lived two blocks from my parents on Sereno Dr. Knew him all the way to HS. What a shame. His first date. Not sure if I know you David, I got out in 69 also at VHi. Ace is no longer there either. Left in 75 and never went back except to visit my parents. I also have read everything about Zodiac. Freaky kinda like Charlie Manson. Zodiac is probably long dead. Either killed himself or got killed. What a shame for the all involved.
Ray
11:07 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
In the movie Darlene's sister says the guy's name was Leigh, and Mike pointed out Arthur Leigh Allen in a picture as the one who did it. Is the movie incorrect??? As far as DNA tested years later but not matching, the envelope could've been handled by numerous hands through the mail or in evidence while the Zodiac used gloves, and the palm print on Stine's cab not matching could've come from anybody, again while the zodiac used gloves or was careful to wipe anything he had touched.
Corey Starliper
12:43 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
I know the write up isnt out yet, but where it is exactly that you find fault in the approach from what you know? I just want to be clear.
Ray
9:43 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
sorry, my reply was to David's comment on Arthur Leigh Allen not being the guy...
[In the movie Darlene's sister says the guy's name was Leigh, and Mike pointed out Arthur Leigh Allen in a picture as the one who did it. Is the movie incorrect??? As far as DNA tested years later but not matching, the envelope could've been handled by numerous hands through the mail or in evidence while the Zodiac used gloves, and the palm print on Stine's cab not matching could've come from anybody, again while the zodiac used gloves or was careful to wipe anything he had touched]
TZMC
3:13 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011
See: www.TheZodiacMansonConnection.com
MikeC
7:57 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011
Thoughts on the subject...
http://zodiacrevisited.com/yet-another-person-cracks-the-340/
Jolie
9:36 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011
Grew up in Tewksbury. You look very familiar. Nice to know something good can come out of that town!
Bernadette Sava
4:13 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
I believe it is possible you did indeed crack the code since what you have makes snse to me..it doesn't matter what anybody else says..if you know in your heart it is correct..that's all that matters..it doesn't even matter if they don't do anything with it..the right people will find it and hopefully they will be relieved by your findings!!! I almost drowned in Tewksbury when I was 10.
John Morse
4:19 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
Corey, Please contact me through Facebook. I would like to talk with you about your findings. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Morse-Investigation-Services-LLC/197468073621966
Corey Starliper
12:17 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
You planted my picture all over your site claiming that I was a fraud. NOW you want me to contact you about my findings? Figure it out yourself. Do your research next time.
Samantha Phenix
5:52 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
After personally studying the Zodiac and other serial killers in depth and detail. I've discovered that is highly unlikely that the Zodiac was just one killer, but instead was a group of elitist (young)men that used a stooge for a voice. Men hungry for the power of getting away with it and duping the authorities, proving their "superiority." Most likely 12 of them. Ever hear of the hunt clubs? Even more likely, the men have taken positions of political and corporate power in the past 40 years. Disturbing thought I know... but that's the kinda of truth no one likes to see.. making it even easier for them to get away with it. The blindness of the sheeple.
Michael Austin
7:47 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
I wrote a Blog for Pleasanton.patch.com about a 1984 unsolved murder of a fourteen year old female. When researching material for my Blog I came across Zodiac message boards and learned that Zodiac had posted one or two letters from the Pleasanton Post office, a city 40 miles southwest of Valliejo California.
Michael Austin
Mellissa
8:57 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
Have u tried to crack the code that was found in the pocket of murder victim Ricky McCormick? He was killed in St. Louis Missouri, and the FBI posted the notes asking the public to try and decode it. Give it a go!
Corey Starliper
8:12 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
I tried that one and had a lot of trouble. I find that I agree with the theory that's been circulating that his writing was both coded and abbreviated and that numbers and letters that precede them indicate companies on the stock market and their closing values on certain days.
Gary shafer
9:55 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
I. Believe him...good ,Job
Will
10:08 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
I always thought it was Allen who did it! That was a great movie by the way
Geo Vette
10:17 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
awesome...i believe you,,,it all makes sense..good work
Alison
10:49 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
good job i think its possible! you may have actually done what no one else could do. can you please comment on any discrepancies that other readers commented on.....just to clarify. thank you
David Soares
11:09 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
Robert--I think I remember you--sisters name is Linda??? I mean we used to go into the ACE and goof at a guy who worked there-Arthur Leigh Allen. It was fairly common knowledge that he was a suspect-he lived on Florida St. I knew Darlene and Betty Lou, I went to Hogan with her, she was a year behind me. I always beleived that the Zodiac killed more in Vallejo than is known. A couple of my classmates that knew Darlene died of accidents. The Envelope the DNA was gotten from was in the SFPD evidence-the DNA was tested sometime in 2002. It was tested against specimens taken from Allen when he died of a heart attack in 1992. Also, something that not many people know is that a palm print was taken from Paul Stine's cab--Allen's did not match.
Corey Starliper
12:20 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Its interesting that someone so close to the case has decided to post here. Thank you for your interest. What I hope to do is generate enough interest in the case so that if I am wrong, someone comes forward with the right solution. I hope I can play a role in bringing some peace to the victims and their families.
David Soares
12:51 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Corey-I was a good friend of Ken Narlow's also--beleive me--Allen wasnt the guy. And, sadly, most of the relatives are very old or gone now. I was a high School buddy of Crabtree's--look it up.
Corey Starliper
12:40 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
Who do you think it was? Allen had a pretty good case against him, though I'm not holding my breath.
Just Me
2:18 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
@John Morse, You are a typical American.. full of hate for other peoples success, i just can't help but imagine how you Americans reason.. someone else came up with what he thinks is the answer to the code and the next thing you do is try to ruin him by telling everyone he is a FRAUD instead of calling him a fraud why dont you prove him wrong and decode the thing yourself... How would you know he's a fraud when you can't decode it yourself.. Corey Starliper Go on with your good work, it never gonna be easy but if you do believe in yourself and never listen to haters like John Morse who is been blinded with greed and hatred, i know for sure he is wishing he did decoded the Zodiac thing the sky will be your starting point bro. Good luck.
John Morse
8:53 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
I wish Corey all the luck in the world. Some ciphers can not be broken, not to say that this one can not. My job is to call BS when we see it. I hope someone can break the code, and publish how they did it. Corey did state how he did it. There is no logic in his methodology and is full of errors.
Patti
7:38 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Oh my God - Corey is BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Truly - just reading how he initially broke down the numbers for the area codes - sheer genius - it just seems disgraceful that no one has contacted him from the various agencies who worked on this case - very smart young man.
Dan
8:19 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
What "similarities in the numerical sequence"? Looking at the solution in the picture, there is no common key or pattern. It actually seems like he filled in the letters first, then calculated the ceasar shift and wrote it down.. Basically using the text to find the key and not the key to find the text. But by doing that, you can write anything you like and just calculate the shifts afterwards.
Of course if there IS a pattern to the numbers, ill stand corrected. But we need that pattern explained then.
Corey Starliper
12:38 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
The write up will be out shortly. I used more than Caesar shift to solve this.
Gilbert R Albright Jr
8:36 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Could someone please get this guy to solve the coded lies that Fox News puts in its broadcasts everyday.?
Dickie Doodles
9:55 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
If, indeed, Stripliner is correct and those are the decoded messages, the Zodiac killer weasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, so to speak.
Mark Guertin
10:09 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
corey have you talked to robert graysmith?
Corey Starliper
10:44 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
No, I've not spoken to Graysmith. From what I understand, he is no longer an active participant in the investigation even as a hobby. I was going to e-mail him but I'll wait for the dust to settle and wait for him to contact me. Maybe when people realize that I'm more open to interpretation than they think, things will go a lot smoother.
David Soares
7:06 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Corey-do you have any idea how many people have contacted the police in Vallejo, Napa, or San Fransisico claiming to have solved this thing. YOu aare one ofmany. That's not to say you havent done it--but your solution is pretty much word for word what the Science teacher over in the valley came up with-except for the name. The number one suspect in the case was a music teacher in SF, at least from my contacts. He had the whole package including the Gilbert and Sullivan thing. Dont get me wrong here--I think it's great that you are trying--it's just that so many have. Aphrodite Jones thinks it's a guy over in Fairfeld and she is way off.
Ryan Alexander Smith
7:08 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Corey .. its cool that you tried and your interest in Zodiac. but its interesting that you ignored the above comments that questioned your logic and approach as well as the fact that the Virgin islands code in the 70's was different. hence Zodiac could not have known that that 340 code would come into being into the 90's. and youre dreaming if you think Graysmith will contact you (unless you contacted him first, but he may or may not reply).
Corey Starliper
12:37 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
Which comments interest you that you believe I ignored? In all likelihood I've answered them somewhere else.
The Virgin Islands connection, I'll admit, was an error on my part, I should have done my research, but the Virgin Islands connection aside, the 707 was accurate as far as I understand.
J. Coop
7:29 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
I am Process Server/ Para-legal that is involved in many investigations. After some considerable thought this sounds plausible. I would not be so quick to dismiss the importance of this finding on behalf of skeptics and police. Now am I missing some piece of information that could find fault in this theory? Its all about variables. Otherwise seems to be a job well done. Justin.
John Morse
7:46 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
J. Coop - The fact you are a process server and para-legal means nothing in your endorsement of Corey. If you were a LEO or Private Investigator then maybe your thoughts should carry some weight. The truth here is Corey is wrong.
Anyone interested in learning what Corey's motivation is, and why he is wrong, based on facts then go to http://www.morsepi.com/free-services/frauds/
David Soares
12:47 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
Hey Vern--I graduated 69 from Hogan. I knew David too and used to party with Doug Strobel who lived on Sereno up by the Park. I knew Darlene, her sister and I talked just a couble months ago--Betty Lou was a year behind me.
ME
3:20 pm on Saturday, July 30, 2011
@John Morse. You are an ass!!! Are you really proud to be a private investigator after the "great" work they did to the family in England by tapping into their phones. Your great buddies in private investigation almost ruined the VICTIMS of a horrendous crime!!!! Just because someone is a para legal or process server doesn't mean that they can't solve crimes!!! Grow up you jerk and get off of your high horse. If I were Justin I would sue you for calling him a fraud!!! I applaud him for NEVER mentioning that he was an author. YOU JERK!!!
ME
3:22 pm on Saturday, July 30, 2011
I meant to say Corey should sue your butt!!!!
John Morse
4:42 pm on Saturday, July 30, 2011
@ME
I will assume that no one in your family has been a victim of a sensational crime that was exploited by book or film. You are narrow minded. I am not on my high horse. I am pursuing the truth, and attempting to protect the victims families. All to often the victims families are targeted for fraud. The higher the profile case the more scum that comes out of the wood work. Imagine dozens of people a year coming forward with "new" information, the families think to themselves maybe now I can have peace only to be let down over and over again. Now imagine that your families story has been told dozens of times in the media, sensationalized in book and film. Imagine the hurt that causes. Do you think the movie studios cut a check to the victims families? It is bad enough that the case doesn't get solved, but now people are exploiting your memories for profit. Now here we are again with someone new coming up and saying, hey I got this. Despite being discredited by peer review, Corey still pushes forward with press releases. I have worked on to many cases like this one, and have seen the vultures come out to feast on their 15 minutes of fame. Corey's original intent may have been good, but the article says "I've Cracked the Code" not I almost cracked the code. The idiots in England deserve to be prosecuted if that is what happened. There are bad apples in every bunch. My ethics are above reproach, and If Corey can prove I am wrong then I welcome the suit.
Bill Gilman
11:18 pm on Saturday, July 30, 2011
John ... what "profit" are you refering to? Tewksbury Patch does not and will not ever pay for an interview.
John Morse
3:38 am on Sunday, July 31, 2011
I was referring in general to all cases that are sensationalized. I am not suggesting, nor was it a thought, that Tewksbury Patch would pay for this information or any other. My issue is not with Corey specifically. I applaud anyone that wants to take on any cold case as long as the intent is to help. I have a problem when help is disguised as research for a book, movie, or 15 minutes of fame. Only Corey knows why he got started on this in the first place, or why he ignored peer review. Maybe he is on the right track and with feedback from peer review he could have solved it.
Corey Starliper
11:29 pm on Saturday, July 30, 2011
I have no desire to sue, nor to pursue this any more than I need to. For the record, Beyond Patch, I have requested not one single press release. Patch sent it out and everybody picked it up from there. I've taken enough heat already. I just want this thing done and overwith. The write up will be up as soon as Quantico has had a chance to review it. In the interim, no comment.
Mine
2:08 am on Sunday, July 31, 2011
Haters haters haters.... Corey, your patience & determination are inspiring... Don't listen to all the "haters" commenting above, for it is much easier to criticize someone else's work than it is to propose your own solution. Congrats, I wish you much success in whatever endeavours your future may hold. =)
Corey Starliper
4:14 am on Sunday, July 31, 2011
You know what? I AM going to comment, because Patch seems to be the forum of choice now and I have just as much say in this as anybody else. In the way of peer review, John, it depends on what you mean. There have been innumerable comments left on forums, comments left at the bottom of articles, questions left on facebook pages, websites which have gone up attacking the validity of the method I used, and so on. For me to comment on every single review is implausible. If you are referring to the author that I sent the solution to, the author who said that my solution was " not valid," it's not that I ignored it...I simply took my solution elsewhere and used other means to get people to listen, just like you're doing. How many sites have you gone to in order to get word across to your followers that I'm in it for the money, and not the victims? I believe I was right...and I felt strongly enough about the solution to risk personal attack and abundant criticism from today's media, something that a lot of people don't have the courage to do. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, and plenty of people will get their last words in and that will be it for me. If I'm right, those families of which you speak, the families which you believe I'm exploiting, will finally get their answer. Anyone interested in my personal motivations, read the end of the article or ask me straight out. Anyone else, John Morse is pretty sure he's got it figured out on his own.